Showing posts with label law school scam. Show all posts
Showing posts with label law school scam. Show all posts

Thursday, March 4, 2010

So... Why did you go to law school?



Why... I spent 3 years and tens of thousands to increase my earning potential to... $40k/year?!?

Well, yeah, according to an Arizona State University paper:

"Starting salaries for attorneys have declined with firms. The average for a starting attorney used to be between $65,000 and $70,000 annually, with larger companies starting associates at $100,000 ... Now, attorneys will begin at $40,000 in smaller companies and $75,000 in larger firms."

I know this isn't news to those who are reading this blog, but to those who aren't in the know, the TV version of the legal profession and the reality are two very different things. Attorneys are not bringing in shitloads of money just because they are attorneys.

Thank FAFSA, thank Sallie Mae and thank Congress for blowing up the Law School Bubble. Attorney salaries are tumbling, contract attorney rates are falling and tuition is still... going up!

This makes no sense, which is pretty typical for bubbles. But it all is coming to an end. The student loans will default, Sallie Mae will go under. The word about the tanking salaries will get out to prospective Juris Debtors. The TTTs will go under, and the law school scam will be completely exposed in due time.

Tuesday, March 2, 2010

Craigslist Ad of the Day 3/2/10

My Law Degree (Seriously) - $59250 (lower pac hts)


Date: 2010-02-24, 8:56PM PST
Reply to: sale-ju475-1616836329@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]


After several years of practicing law with a bunch of nerds in Silicon Valley I have come to the conclusion that my law degree is useless and I don't want to be a lawyer anymore. Though I spent over $100,000 on it I am willing to sell it for the bargain basement price of $59,250, which is the current value of my remaining student loan balance.

This priceless collectible will permit you to be surrounded by hobby-less assholes whose entire life is dictated by billing by the hour and being anal dickheads. Additionally, this piece of paper has the amazing ability to keep you from doing what you really want to do in life, all in the name of purported prestige and financial success. Finally, girls in the Marina will swoon with retarded thoughts of sugar daddy when they hear you went to XXX prestigious law school and are a lawyer.

Act now as supplies are limited and this crap takes three years to make. DISCLAIMER: this piece of shit isn't even written in English. It's in Latin or something, but I have the translation. It says "Haha. We took your tuition money bitch, now suck it. Sincerely, President of the University"

Added Bonus: It's from one of those elitist BS institutions that accept people like George W. Bush cause their daddy donated $20 million. Instead of donating $20 million you can have it for the low low price of $59,250 or best offer.

This is actually a serious post. I will really sell this piece of shit.


Any buyers? I swear, as a licensed broker, if there were a futures market for law school degrees, I would be shorting the hell out of it right now. The bubble has exploded just like the housing bubble. Going into law school right now is like buying an overpriced McMansion with an adjustable-rate mortgage. Unless it is something you are absolutely sure that you are going to use and love for the next 10-20 years, you'd better look at other options. If you are a 1L with mediocre to low grades, drop out now - there's still time left. Be smart and cut your losses.

Monday, March 1, 2010

Law School Bubble Deflates Harvard

An anonymous Harvard 3L lets the cat out of the bag. He was sold a bag of wooden nickels for $62,422/year plus interest and opportunity costs. It really is a shame. Having been admitted to Harvard Law, this Debt Child, probably had enough undergraduate credentials to go directly into the work force and make a good living without subjecting himself to a law degree/mortgage payment. Too bad.


"[Our former Dean] told us ... that we had all long since established ourselves as deserving of our reputations and the opportunities they made possible. So we studied, and we subcited, and we networked, and we keycited, and we summer associated. And employers looked at our grades, and our journals, and our work product, and our work ethic, and said, 'We don’t want you.' We came from Harvard, and they were nonetheless unimpressed. Something about us was so unappealing that it outweighed the appeal of having another Harvard graduate at the firm."


It's over, my fellow Debt Children. The law school bubble has burst just like the 1990s tech bubble in stocks and the housing bubble. The value of the degree will continue to plummet, despite the predictable government attempts to find ways to prop up its value.

What will not be forthcoming is an apology from the federal government for blowing up the law school bubble. They'll blame it on private schools, Enron or the tooth fairy before they admit to any wrongdoing. After all, didn't they point out "greed" as the primary reason for the housing bubble, another catastrophe caused by loans that are backed by the Federal Government and other government policies?

If greed causes bubbles, Mr. Congress, why does it wait for artificially low interest rates, easy money for school or other government initiatives before it does its dirty work?

Law School: Just Say "No"

Don't go to law school. It's expensive, it's time consuming and it's a bad investment. I would say the same about other grad schools, but this is the only one I can speak about from first-hand experience. For those of you who want to be a litigator and actually have enough experience in the legal field to know that litigation is what you want to do, you can ignore this. You may want to be an attorney even if it is a bad deal. But if you are thinking about law school and you have no experience working at a firm and/or are not 100% sure you want to practice, take the following advice to the bank:

1.Law School is Expensive: $90,000 or $60,000 of red ink. You choose. Private or public. I chose the latter (thank God), but $60k is no laughing matter. Those of you who already have debt from undergrad may want to consider whether you want to be making the equivalent of a monthly mortgage payment for a couple of degrees that won't put a shred of shelter over your head. Oh, if you are thinking about spending more than $90k on law school, you're an idiot. By the way, that debt number I listed does not include interest and opportunity costs (the money that you could have been earning during the time you were in law school). That is one hell of an "investment" and will likely be the largest or second largest financial transaction of your young life, depending on how much dough you flushed for undergrad.

2. It's time consuming. Three full years of your life. Three of your best years - your 20s - spent taking notes, writing briefs and sweating out exams rather than earning money and finding time to enjoy that which you have earned. On top of that, even after you graduate your degree is pretty much worthless for a legal career until you pass you state's bar exam. Add another 2 months or more of earning little to no income while studying for the bar. Then top that off with the rip-off mainstream bar prep courses and the bar application fee. That's another $2-3k minimum that your putting up, plus the all-too forgotten opportunity costs.

3. It's a bad investment. Supply and demand, people. It's all pretty simple. There are too many lawyers out there thanks to Federal Student Loans and the Law School Industrial Complex. As partially noted earlier, The loans throw the market way out of whack by bringing 10s of thousands more people to law school that would not have gone otherwise. There will be over 44,000 law grads thrust into the economy this year. The number of law jobs is shrinking and is destined to shrink for some time. I guess that is why you can go on craisglist and see pathetic listings of lawyers begging for jobs every day.

If you buy into the grad-school = higher income equation, you might want to take a shorter program. Perhaps an MBA would work. It is more versitile, takes less time, and you don't have school (Bar exam) after school.

My suggestion(s): Work. Gain experience even if you're only being paid shit. If your folks have the means to help you out or if you can live at home temporarily, great. Experience will be at a premium given the state of the economy.

Look at it this way: The Higher Education Industry (HEI) will continue to churn out more undergrad and grad degrees thanks to the lack of jobs. Why? Because the Baby Boomer mentality (our parents) tells us to go back to school where you can learn no skills for the bargain price of $50k plus 8% interest. The degree, so goes the story, will make you worth more to employers.

Unfortunately, in 8 years most of these degrees will be almost worthless in comparison to what was spent to earn them. There are already too many out there and the rate at which they are being churned out is only increasing. Hundreds of thousands more will have that premium piece of paper. What will set you apart from the competition will be real-world experience. Get your undergrad degree and work. If you still want to go to law school after that, suit yourself. At least you will have the work experience to buttress the grad degree or to at least use as a fall back.